tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10313978.post111799196042764639..comments2023-11-03T06:03:50.388-07:00Comments on The Learning Circuits Blog: Living by Eatingjayhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16271633210993298646noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10313978.post-1138743970610163802006-01-31T13:46:00.000-08:002006-01-31T13:46:00.000-08:00Interesting debate. Taking the view of the sales g...Interesting debate. Taking the view of the sales girl and having been a learning sales girl for many years I pose the following. There are several levels to her learning. 1. firstly on picking up the crumpled fax she learns that faxes are a channel for receiving sales tips/learning 2. on executing the advice she learns that selling this way works for her (or not) and 3 as a result of what happens in point 2, she will make a mental bookmark about whether to trust crumpled faxes. <BR/><BR/>My thoughts, she is more likely to be motivated to learn someting new if the fax is from a source she respects as being an expert in this area - someone she can learn from. <BR/><BR/>Also, if the fax represents a shortcut to closing the sale and it works, she'll use it again and share it with her friends who are of course all sales people!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10313978.post-1118612229361518412005-06-12T14:37:00.000-07:002005-06-12T14:37:00.000-07:00Uh, Knowledgestar, cave men couldn't read, so the ...Uh, Knowledgestar, cave men couldn't read, so the fax won't change the situation at all.<BR/><BR/>I'd like to add something to Don's original scenario. Acting on the fax was not the learning. The trial-and-error that followed was the source of the learning. That's what sticks. Learning requires both doing and practice.jayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16271633210993298646noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10313978.post-1118154648813769142005-06-07T07:30:00.000-07:002005-06-07T07:30:00.000-07:00So you have just taken a new job. You quit your o...So you have just taken a new job. You quit your old one and move your family across the country. You find out when you arrive that you have a new boss. This boss has no experience, no skills in relevant areas. But he is highly motivated, and has a crumpled up fax. How good are you feeling? <BR/><BR/>You are about to fly to Tampa, Florida. Your pilot, as of yesterday, worked in the local Wal-Mart. But don't worry. She is highly motivated, and has the crumpled up fax.<BR/><BR/>I believe we should always aim for as simple as necessary, but not more so. We should also, when there is a conflict between time and completeness, go for timely over complete. <BR/><BR/>And yes, the motivation of a learner is of huge importance. The more motivated they are, the less you need to add game elements, quid pro quo, and mandates. <BR/><BR/>To go back to the pilot example, there is a great deal of training necessary, including simulations and experience, to make a good pilot. There is also a crumpled up fax that contains a recent radar image of a huge storm that is given to the pilot at the last moment that could save everyone's life. <BR/><BR/>Given all of that, I am fairly happy with the amount of "crumpled-up faxes" that most people, including my managers and CEOs, have received, from IT, from HR, from the media. As for help with their project management skills, I wouldn't mind a bit more.Clark Aldrichhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02114766550628282842noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10313978.post-1118076065232340922005-06-06T09:41:00.000-07:002005-06-06T09:41:00.000-07:00Hi Clark,Actually, I believe Elliot Massie already...Hi Clark,<BR/>Actually, I believe Elliot Massie already realized that we already knew that people are capable of learning from reading. Rather, he was suggesting that leaning can often be accomplished via very simple methods, sort of like what Richard was speaking of in his <A HREF="http://learningcircuits.blogspot.com/2005/05/food-apple-and-learning.html" REL="nofollow">post </A>. <BR/><BR/>And secondly, that the amount of design and development that needs to go into a learning package often depends upon the motivation of the learner. For example, in this case, the salesperson has a strong motivation to learn the new method of selling (it will increase her commissions), thus a simple fax is all that is needed. However, when motivations are not as strong, then a lot more effort has to go into the design and development of the learning package. For example, when Mobile engineers discovered a way to save the company a bundle of money, a memo went out to the field, yet the adoption rate remained rather low – there just wasn’t a lot of motivation for change. What was required was <A HREF="http://www.nwlink.com/~donclark/history_knowledge/davenport.html" REL="nofollow"> viscosity </A> rather than velocity.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10313978.post-1118015484127504782005-06-05T16:51:00.000-07:002005-06-05T16:51:00.000-07:00Wow. So it was Elliot Massie who suggested people...Wow. So it was Elliot Massie who suggested people can learn from reading. He's good.<BR/><BR/>Having said that, I think your point is well taken. The phrase "blended learning" became useless as it<BR/>a) Was taken to be always good,<BR/>and<BR/>b) Meant everything.<BR/><BR/>"Learning By Doing" could easily follow the same trap. One can learn by doing many things. And, as Jay Cross reminded me, some people decide to do things by gut feeling, which might be a great example of learning by not doing! <BR/><BR/>In my book of the same title, I suggest formal learning programs get the right balance of:<BR/>* Simulation (representing reality)<BR/>* Game (to motivate) and<BR/>* Pedagogy (to explain).<BR/><BR/>The premise of the book is that many programs go too far on the third area, pedagogy, and not nearly far enough on the sim and game elements (in that order). <BR/><BR/>As one keeper of the phrase, I hope it doesn't get killed the way "blended learning" was.Clark Aldrichhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02114766550628282842noreply@blogger.com