tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10313978.post112310337093665136..comments2023-11-03T06:03:50.388-07:00Comments on The Learning Circuits Blog: Merger mania in and around eLearningjayhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16271633210993298646noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10313978.post-1123631378446641992005-08-09T16:49:00.000-07:002005-08-09T16:49:00.000-07:00Good for you Mark - glad to hear of your work with...Good for you Mark - glad to hear of your work with Elliott. As soon as we get out of this stupid proprietary software model we'll be able to concentrate on learning and performance and maybe get rid of a few snake oil salespeople in the process.Harold Jarchehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11462304722726586155noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10313978.post-1123531816033185712005-08-08T13:10:00.000-07:002005-08-08T13:10:00.000-07:00Hi Guys,Full Disclosure - I work for Elliott now.....Hi Guys,<BR/><BR/>Full Disclosure - I work for Elliott now...so I'm both biased and have insider information. I do have a couple of points to offer:<BR/><BR/>1. Ben - we do need to be looking for ways to better integrate LMSs and sims/games. I have seen some examples, notably Boeing and ECS (Orlando) in which performance in a sim/game reports back to an LMS but this is not widespread and I don't quite have a sense of the urgency it occupies on the part of LMS vendors.<BR/><BR/>2. While David is to be congratulated on his success, Stephen is also correct in noting that the corporate sector will be the last to penetrated to any degree by the OS LMSs. I would add that I think there is also a Total Cost of Ownership question here and not just a case of promoting corp. solutions. Open Source LMSs can require new staff where and ASP-model COTS product doesn't ask for the company to assume that overhead.<BR/><BR/>3. Finally I'd just chip in that the MASIE Center doesn't do product reviews but I can assure you that at our Extreme Learning Workshops we've held this summer and our Learning Retreat, we've covered open source not just in LMSs but in blogs, wikis, game engines, communication/collaboration and even graphic design.Markhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08218024853670656902noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10313978.post-1123252114143077412005-08-05T07:28:00.000-07:002005-08-05T07:28:00.000-07:00Well there you go.This raises the question of the ...Well there you go.<BR/><BR/>This raises the question of the reliability of LMS reviews produced by the consulting companies.<BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://www.brandonhall.com/public/publications/lms/" REL="nofollow">Brandon Hall's 2005 reviews</A>, for example, do not cover any of the Open Source LMSs. I wasn't able to find a similar page for Elliott Masie, but would hazard a guess that his work is similar.<BR/><BR/>Are the e-learning pundits missing the biggest story in e-learning this decade? Probably.Stephen Downeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06140591903467372209noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10313978.post-1123199408962227542005-08-04T16:50:00.000-07:002005-08-04T16:50:00.000-07:00I agree with Stephen about the LMS battles that ma...I agree with Stephen about the LMS battles that may be looming. This discussion is so far about what is happening in North America but I think that we will see some real threats and new business models coming from elsewhere.<BR/> <BR/>As many of you know, I think that the services space is where the real action will happen. The big companies will be able to compete with proprietary apps like LMS, but there will be no room for medium-sized players. Unless you plan on competing/being bought by Microsoft, then I would suggest that you leverage the power of open source and add services to an existing OS platform.Harold Jarchehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11462304722726586155noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10313978.post-1123165806029746762005-08-04T07:30:00.000-07:002005-08-04T07:30:00.000-07:00In terms of good open source LMSes I would also ad...In terms of good open source LMSes I would also add Saki <BR/>http://www.akiva.com/silk.asp <BR/>(released by Akiva) to the list as it looks like it has potential and interestingly it has been released not-for-profit by a for-profit company (kind of a reverse of what not-for-profit FireFox did with their recent creation of the for-profit Mozilla foundation). I would be interested in hearing what others think of Silk or ven this emerging hybrid of profit/open source.Ben Watsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16006436411486241515noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10313978.post-1123165113116322032005-08-04T07:18:00.000-07:002005-08-04T07:18:00.000-07:00Wow. Excellent post Stephen.Wow. Excellent post Stephen.Ben Watsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16006436411486241515noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10313978.post-1123161715813906292005-08-04T06:21:00.000-07:002005-08-04T06:21:00.000-07:00This comment, being too long, will probably get de...This comment, being too long, will probably get deleted, so read it quickly before the Blog Police remove it.Stephen Downeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06140591903467372209noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10313978.post-1123161636205304472005-08-04T06:20:00.000-07:002005-08-04T06:20:00.000-07:00I've covered some of the larger mergers and takeov...I've covered some of the larger mergers and takeovers http://www.downes.ca/cgi-bin/website/find.cgi?category=1123160521 but I tend not to follow the minutae of the business (it's churn, not news). I'll run an item on the current post in today's newsletter.<BR/><BR/>I think open source is a very large threat. One the one hand, you have the dinosaur vs dinosaur scenario: there is a lot of work being done, and a lot of takeup, in platforms like Bodington, Moodle and Sakai. As these products mature (and they are very close) I think the LMS industry may lose the academic market completely. Corporate will take longer, because corporate has a vested interest in promoting commercial solutions, and a natural disinclination to trust anything not produced by means of the corporate model. The only major barriers for OS LMSs I can see are integration with proprietary MIS and possible concerns about liability for patents and other IP infringements.<BR/><BR/>Then there is the dinosaur vs mammal scenario. This isn't even a contest. There's nothing in the commercial e-learning space that competes with, say, WordPress, dwiki, ELGG, or the like. If commercial competition emerges, it will be in the e-portfolio space, where work is being done to freeze out the open source alternatives (much in the way SCORM has frozen out open source alternatives in that space). <BR/><BR/>The success of commercial e-portfolio (and therefore, commercial educational blogging, etc.) will depend on those companies convincing potential customers that they need to centralize, for reasons of proprietry and security, and hence purchase (closed) enterprise solutions. I expect a fair bit of this, with a consequent push back and forth between whether a student (say) has to have a personal identity / portfolio on an institutional system, or whether the student can choose his or her own system and merely import their login and identity.<BR/><BR/>I wouldn't be wanting to make any bets in this space; the tighter (and more closed) the e-portfolio specs work is, the more likely is a commercial solution (and it has been pretty tight so far), but I don't think you can get 'tight and closed' to work with 'open and distributed', which is the wave of these new apps.<BR/><BR/>I'd be working on a service, with an api, that can just be plugged into whatever emerged. There are some solid commercial opportunities there.Stephen Downeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06140591903467372209noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10313978.post-1123156711556626062005-08-04T04:58:00.000-07:002005-08-04T04:58:00.000-07:00... and in his newsletter last night he predicted ...... and in his newsletter last night he predicted "at least one more major deal before the end of 2006".<BR/><BR/>Clark and Stephen - I thought you guys would be on top of this (grin).<BR/><BR/>Clark - is there a need for new LMS functionality for simulations or are sims stand-alone or already being integrated into LMSes todays?<BR/><BR/>Stephen - is open source a viable threat yet to LMSes? Is this just two dinosaurs mating?Ben Watsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16006436411486241515noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10313978.post-1123147856401981952005-08-04T02:30:00.000-07:002005-08-04T02:30:00.000-07:00yeah, nobody but Elliot Masie saw that coming.yeah, nobody but Elliot Masie saw that coming.Stephen Downeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06140591903467372209noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10313978.post-1123115086844028482005-08-03T17:24:00.000-07:002005-08-03T17:24:00.000-07:00So Mr. Masie predicted consolidation. Wow, he's g...So Mr. Masie predicted consolidation. Wow, he's good.Clark Aldrichhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02114766550628282842noreply@blogger.com